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How Do I Know the Difference Between “Them”?

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Devotional THought of the Day:

19  My brothers and sisters, if any among you strays from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20  let that person know that whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20 (CSBBible)

20  So we are Christ’s ambassadors; God is making his appeal through us. We speak for Christ when we plead, “Come back to God!”
2 Corinthians 5:20 (NLT2)

THESIS II
To the church in the proper sense of the term belongs no wicked person, no hypocrite, no unregenerate, no heretic.
Scripture Proof
Thus writes St. Paul (Rom. 8:9): “If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.” Whoever does not belong to Christ is not a member of the true church, which is His spiritual body.
So also writes John in 1 John 2:19 of the hypocrites who finally also left the fellowship of the church outwardly: “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.”
Again our Lord says (John 15:6): “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered.”


Walther groups together a bunch of passages, passages I have often heard used to ostracie people, to justy why the church gave up on “them.” Especially when “they” are on the other end of a spectrum in regard this this disagreement, or that one. They are the one’s that are not His, they are not with us, so we should cast them out…

And yet James calls us to retore our brothers and sisters who are straying, are these not the same people? Paul gives us the example of pleading with people to come back to God….

So how do I know who to write off, and who who to plead with? Who I should just shake the dust off my feet and walk away from, and who to invest time in prayer, and in working with them, so that they can see God’s mercy.

How do I know the difference? How do I make the choice?

How do I apply Walther’s Theological Treatise in a pastoral manner, and teach my people to do the same, as we together try to imitate Christ Jesus. How is my pastoral practice accurate theologically?

Or do I just make it simple and write everyone off, as is tempting some day!? (just kidding – what I meant was write everyone off but you, dear reader!)

I think that Walther’s point is not pragmatic for the moment. It is a general overarching comment that looks at things eternally, as God judges people on Judgement Day. Until that point, God is patient with them, not wanting even one of them to perish. We have to leave the doors open for them, we need to keep praying for God’s mercy for them, we need to be there, and to let them know we will be there, when they need, to point them back to Jesus.

It isn’t our call to determine who is part of the true church and who will never be. Our challenge is much simpler – to cry out to everyone, Be reconciled to God.

Remember you dwell in God’s peace as you are there for them… and they for you!


C. F. W. Walther, Church and Ministry: Witness of the Evangelical Lutheran Church on the Question of the Church and the Ministry, electronic ed. (St. Louis, MO: Concordia Publishing House, 1987), 34.

The Pastor/Priest’s Kobayashi Maru

Devotional Thought of the Day:

27  And there were many lepers in Israel in the time of the prophet Elisha, but the only one healed was Naaman, a Syrian.”    Luke 4:27 (NLT)

15  And I will give you shepherds after my own heart, who will guide you with knowledge and understanding.      Jeremiah 3:15 (NLT)

7  Do not waste time arguing over godless ideas and old wives’ tales. Instead, train yourself to be godly. 8  “Physical training is good, but training for godliness is much better, promising benefits in this life and in the life to come.” 9  This is a trustworthy saying, and everyone should accept it. 10  This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers. 11  Teach these things and insist that everyone learn them. 12  Don’t let anyone think less of you because you are young. Be an example to all believers in what you say, in the way you live, in your love, your faith, and your purity. 13  Until I get there, focus on reading the Scriptures to the church, encouraging the believers, and teaching them. 14  Do not neglect the spiritual gift you received through the prophecy spoken over you when the elders of the church laid their hands on you. 15  Give your complete attention to these matters. Throw yourself into your tasks so that everyone will see your progress. 16  Keep a close watch on how you live and on your teaching. Stay true to what is right for the sake of your own salvation and the salvation of those who hear you.   1 Timothy 4:7-16 (NLT)

“In the stillness of the little room the bishop sighed deeply.  His eyes saw the bejeweled crucifix that hung at his chest.He prayed silently.  Then he sent for his secretary and ordered the searcht o begin.  Then, alone once more, he split himself into the three persons that all generals of the Church must simultaneously be.  First, the anointed Peter, first bishop of the Christ, with all that spiritually implied.  Second the militant guardian of the Church temporal with all that implied.  And last, just a simple man who believed the teachings of a simple man who the Son of God.
He settled back in his chair and let these facets of himself argue one with another. And He listened to them.   (from Tai-Pan by James Clavell – emphasis mine.)

One of my favorite authors is James Clavell, and his saga of Asia. The way he shows all of his characters, in both their best light and in their darkest moments, make the stories seem so life like, so realistic.  This is especially true about the clergy in the books, especially this Bishop in Tai-pan, who has to make a decision, a hard decision, whether to respond to the needs of an unrepentant sinner and an enemy of the Church  of Rome.

While I am no bishop, I understand the dilemma, the argument the bishop hears from his “three” persons are real.  I’ve been there as well, involved in the pastoral version of the Kobayashi Maru.

Do I make my decision based on what I perceive as is best for the church at large, a lesson for the encouragement of others, who might see my work as representing what I approve?  Would my helping out the sinner lead others into sin? Would the work compromise my ability to minister spiritually to others?

Do I make my decision based on my responsibility for the material nature of the church?  In this case, the Bishop was offered anything in the sinners power to provide a small portion of a rare medication to his mistress, who was pregnant with child.  Should he make the decision to deny this, the hero would certainly use his power and influence to gain revenge on the church.  If he helped, the advantage would be enormous,not just financially, but SStruanhad promised to visibly “convert”, even if he couldn’t in his heart.

The last possible decision, responding to Straun as simply a man to  another man in need.  To respond in unconditional love, to help out just because he felt Christ would.

I would normally say, go for door number three, that is the obvious answer.  Or at least it is the one I expect, even as first two personas kick and screw about the lack of logic in that decision.

Yet, in my heart, I know it is not accurate to make the decision based on the third option.  For my only responsibility is not to the third situation.   As a pastor, I must consider the impact to the entire church, both spiritually and physically.  And like the fabled Star Trek officers test, I must understand the implications, the challenges, and own them.

I love what the Bishop, this leader of the church did, in the scene.  He first prayed, and then he allowed himself to argue the situation out, listening, hearing each of the voices.   I won’t give the story away, but I can say this:

His answer would satisfy in the end, all three concerns.

He sweated it out, he worked through the dilemma, and because he prayed and listened, and was patient, he came to a conclusion.

It would cost him, and yet the cost would be having an enormous teaching moment, a moment to catechize Struan, and his community, and wait for the Holy Spirit to work in the hearts of those involved.  It doesn’t resolve perfectly, in the end, yet, mercy was known, love was accepted, healing happened.

And peace was known, not just by those to whom he served, but amazingly, in his own life.  The kind of peace that is not of this world, nor would seem logical, but is the peace of Christ, the peace Christ gives to all those He treasures.

(BTW – this is applicable to more than pastors and priests. )

Dealing with Evil and Adversaries

Devotional Discussion thought of the Day:

12:2 Let us keep our eyes fixed on Jesus, on whom our faith depends from beginning to end. He did not give up because of the cross! On the contrary, because of the joy that was waiting for him, he thought nothing of the disgrace of dying on the cross, and he is now seated at the right side of God’s throne.
Hebrews 12:2 (TEV)

A man I know is considering ending his interaction on Facebook.  He’s a Christian musician of decades of ministering to people and even though a monk, interacts with people by writing and quoting the church fathers.  He crosses lines often in his ministry, working with protestants and orthodox as well as his only Catholic family. Many across many denominations see the unity that we share in Christ – even as we can have issues we don’t agree on.  Indeed, part of his concerts include bringing up all clergy and religious, to have the people there pray for them.

Two things bother him greatly, and I understand this as well.
1.  The way in which some do not just disagree – but treat those they disagree with rudely, and with great condescension

2.  The heated rhetoric that is evidenced – even among Christians, perhaps especially among Christians – as we enter the election season.

I understand them both, to be honest, there are days I understand  have thought of quitting FB and wish I could quit those areas of life where I encounter such.  Both sicken me.  My problem, I want to deal with the people that exhibit such attitudes as if they are not just sinners, but the sin itself. I want to strike back hard, especially in defense of those who can’t.  FIght fire with fire, confront hate with hate, and that to sickens me.   Or I want to run from the engagement – heck not just on Facebook, but in real life.  Sometimes I’ve heard the joke – being a pastor would be such an incredible job, if only there were no people!

For me, there is a price of seeing people grow in Christ, and that price is to grieve as I see the place from where we  have to grow.  The brokenness, the filth, the sin and hatred.  It’s disgraceful, its violent and vicious, and we all lose sight of God and return there occasionally, not to rescue others, but instead to dwell i our own muck. This isn’t good of course.  But how do we deal with it?

We endure it, even as Christ endured what it took to rescue us.  We keep focused on the joy that awaits us, as our enemies, and adversaries are turned by God, to His heart.  Endurance isn’t toleration, it is letting the Light do its work to overcome darkness, to realize that people will have to adjust to living in the light, and that we need to focus on reflecting Christ’s love, His mercy His compassion into that place, even identifying, in love, the places where God’s light needs to bring healing.

Tough stuff. Very tough, a form of sacrifice, a martyrdom to bear witness to the light.

One last thought on this:

6:12 For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places. Ephesians 6:12 (NLT)

The demons we confront aren’t the people – they are in need of deliverance (just as much as we are).  So pray for them, love them, confront them in that love and mercy of Christ, and pray that we can remember the joy that will come, when our brothers (and us) are granted repentance.

“Lord have mercy” we cry, may we learn to reflect that same mercy… even if it costs us, even if we despise the cost and the grieving, for there is joy set before us!  AMEN.